Bell and Telus Dry Loop DSL Question... Dialtone / 911

[Chuck Mariotti]

A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also states "No Local".

After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get a busy signal.

I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops and the features available on them.

Specifically my question is:


1. If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume this means they could not use this for dialing 911.

2. Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can 911 be dialed on it?

The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer 911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911 on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way through the signal and dial 911 anyways?

Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems silly to not test something so important.

Regards,

Chuck

[Andre Courchesne - Consultant]

To my knowledge a dryloop does not even have a tone on it (busy or dial
tone).

Post by Chuck Mariotti
A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also states "No Local".
After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get a busy signal.
I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops and the features available on them.
1. If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
2. Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can 911 be dialed on it?
The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer 911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911 on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems silly to not test something so important.
Regards,
Chuck

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[Liviu Toma]

My home dry loop (in Toronto) has dial tone but I can only dial some
Bell numbers (I believe they are called ANAC) which will automatically
read back the number for my dry loop line (yes, in Toronto, every dry
loop seems to have a number attached to it, which, when called, comes
up with a message "the number you are calling cannot receive incoming
calls")

Liviu

Post by Chuck Mariotti
A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also states "No Local".
After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get a busy signal.
I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops and the features available on them.
1.       If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
2.       Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can 911 be dialed on it?
The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer 911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911 on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems silly to not test something so important.
Regards,
Chuck

[Terry D. Cudney]

Here in Collingwood, ON, I have the same results as Liviu with my dry loop... just a dialtone on the line. This is a Bell line; Telus may be different?

Chuck's idea for asterisk to cut through to make 911 calls on the dry loop is a very interesting one... Can it be done?

--terry

On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:56:35AM -0400, Liviu Toma wrote:
--> My home dry loop (in Toronto) has dial tone but I can only dial some
--> Bell numbers (I believe they are called ANAC) which will automatically
--> read back the number for my dry loop line (yes, in Toronto, every dry
--> loop seems to have a number attached to it, which, when called, comes
--> up with a message "the number you are calling cannot receive incoming
--> calls")
-->
--> Liviu
-->
--> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Chuck Mariotti <cmariotti-0rzm6KYc5ZHQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
--> > A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also states "No Local".
--> >
--> > After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get a busy signal.
--> >
--> > I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops and the features available on them.
--> >
--> > Specifically my question is:
--> >
--> >
--> > 1.       If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
--> >
--> > 2.       Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can 911 be dialed on it?
--> >
--> > The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer 911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911 on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
--> >
--> > Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems silly to not test something so important.
--> >
--> > Regards,
--> >
--> > Chuck
--> >
--> >
--> >
-->
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According to Trixbox.org:

For the US:

"Find your local PSAP:
http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/services/911-services/enhanced911/psapreg...
Call the PSAP administrator (non emergency)
Schedule a 911 test
call at the scheduled time.
I had to make 200+ 911 test calls for a hug install od to joy :)"

Something similar up there I imagine...






"Terry D. Cudney" <terry-***@public.gmane.org>
05/07/2009 10:13 AM

To
Asterisk User Group <asterisk-***@public.gmane.org>
cc

Subject
Re: [on-asterisk] Bell and Telus Dry Loop DSL Question... Dialtone /
911






Here in Collingwood, ON, I have the same results as Liviu with my dry
loop... just a dialtone on the line. This is a Bell line; Telus may be
different?

Chuck's idea for asterisk to cut through to make 911 calls on the dry
loop is a very interesting one... Can it be done?

--terry

On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:56:35AM -0400, Liviu Toma wrote:
--> My home dry loop (in Toronto) has dial tone but I can only dial some
--> Bell numbers (I believe they are called ANAC) which will automatically
--> read back the number for my dry loop line (yes, in Toronto, every dry
--> loop seems to have a number attached to it, which, when called, comes
--> up with a message "the number you are calling cannot receive incoming
--> calls")
-->
--> Liviu
-->
--> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Chuck Mariotti <cmariotti-0rzm6KYc5ZHQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
--> > A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in
Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing
telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of
wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a
paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also
states "No Local".
--> >
--> > After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get
a busy signal.
--> >
--> > I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops
and the features available on them.
--> >
--> > Specifically my question is:
--> >
--> >
--> > 1. If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume
this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
--> >
--> > 2. Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can
911 be dialed on it?
--> >
--> > The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove
analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer
911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911
on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way
through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
--> >
--> > Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems
silly to not test something so important.
--> >
--> > Regards,
--> >
--> > Chuck
--> >
--> >
--> >
-->
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[Wes Newbold]

Dry loops are an interesting beast.. some have dialtone, some do not, some you can dial 911, others you can't. In the end it depends on the carrier, the particular CO or remote you're being served from and how the provisioning person built the line profile. If you are getting a busy tone the moment you go off hook, I would highly doubt that you could dial 911. If you get dial tone and can dial the ANAC number, you might get lucky and also be able to dial 911. Your best bet is to find someone a Bell (or your carrier) who has a clue and ask them nicely.

On the note of routing 911 over something other than SIP trunks... Anyone thought of using the cellular network? Even without a SIM (assuming GSM) you can always dial 911 from your phone, I'm thinking GSM gateway... Thoughts?

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Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell and Telus Dry Loop DSL Question... Dialtone / 911

According to Trixbox.org:

For the US:

"Find your local PSAP:
http://www.fcc.gov/pshs/services/911-services/enhanced911/psapreg...
Call the PSAP administrator (non emergency)
Schedule a 911 test
call at the scheduled time.
I had to make 200+ 911 test calls for a hug install od to joy :)"

Something similar up there I imagine...






"Terry D. Cudney" <***@octothorp.org>
05/07/2009 10:13 AM

To
Asterisk User Group <***@uc.org>
cc

Subject
Re: [on-asterisk] Bell and Telus Dry Loop DSL Question... Dialtone /
911






Here in Collingwood, ON, I have the same results as Liviu with my dry
loop... just a dialtone on the line. This is a Bell line; Telus may be
different?

Chuck's idea for asterisk to cut through to make 911 calls on the dry
loop is a very interesting one... Can it be done?

--terry

On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 09:56:35AM -0400, Liviu Toma wrote:
--> My home dry loop (in Toronto) has dial tone but I can only dial some
--> Bell numbers (I believe they are called ANAC) which will automatically
--> read back the number for my dry loop line (yes, in Toronto, every dry
--> loop seems to have a number attached to it, which, when called, comes
--> up with a message "the number you are calling cannot receive incoming
--> calls")
-->
--> Liviu
-->
--> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Chuck Mariotti <***@xunity.com>
wrote:
--> > A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in
Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing
telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of
wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a
paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also
states "No Local".
--> >
--> > After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get
a busy signal.
--> >
--> > I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops
and the features available on them.
--> >
--> > Specifically my question is:
--> >
--> >
--> > 1. If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume
this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
--> >
--> > 2. Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can
911 be dialed on it?
--> >
--> > The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove
analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer
911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911
on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way
through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
--> >
--> > Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems
silly to not test something so important.
--> >
--> > Regards,
--> >
--> > Chuck
--> >
--> >
--> >
-->
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[Martin Glazer]

With regard to testing 911 here in Calgary - I have a friend who works
in the 911 call centre and she told me just to call 911, but target a
non-busy time. ie. don't call at 8am, during the week, in the middle of
a heavy snowfall...

All the times that I have called, I have just let them know that we are
testing and they have been very helpful. They will also confirm the
associated address that comes up with the call - you'de be surprised how
many times this can be wrong.

Martin

Post by Chuck Mariotti
A client is getting DSL service installed at their business in Alberta (Telus territory). It was supposed to be installed on an existing telephone line. However, it appears that Telus has pulled in a new pair of wires (no jack). I guess this means that it's a dry loop since it has a paper card attached with a telephone number that isn't theirs. It also states "No Local".
After hooking up a jack to it, then hooking up a phone, we just get a busy signal.
I have seen in past postings different statements about Dry Loops and the features available on them.
1. If there is a fast busy signal on this Telus line. I assume this means they could not use this for dialing 911.
2. Does a dry loop in Ontario have a different dialtone? Can 911 be dialed on it?
The reason I am asking is that I would love to completely remove analog phone services and go pure VoIP. But it would be very nice to offer 911 services routed to the dry loop instead of VoIP. If you can dial 911 on a fast busy signal, is there a way to have Asterisk muscle it's way through the signal and dial 911 anyways?
Lastly... how do you test 911 dialing without dialing 911? Seems silly to not test something so important.
Regards,
Chuck